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[The Raging Asparagus]

 Draw votes

[djinghis]

Votes have a threshold after 10 seconds that inevitably pass if a success rate is >85%. no matter incoming votes after this period. Also a vote will not matter if <33% of all clients vote, the vote will disappear without action. As for the % required for success of a vote, it's unknown to me and server admins (within the config files at least) but as a guess, Id say its closer to 60 -65% to pass.
I think the success % is ok but the real problem is the people voting, those that are losing and those that are winning have their own agenda, seldom is that agenda not 100% personally driven.

• Join late, don't want to catchup kills/exp etc.
  
• Join late, don't like the map or commander or the team it put you on.
  
• Sitting in spec, want another game to start.
  
• Your below the ago of 25 and half an hour is too long for you.
  

I think the common issue here is voters who don't have the game in their best interests only themselves.

Possible solution,

• A player must have been in the server for 5 minutes at least in order to vote (concede)(draw).
  
• You can't vote from spectator(draw).
  
• (regarding draw spam) Draw vote have 5 minute cooldown periods.
  

The problem with this,

This requires hardcode to be changed and the only remaining developer can only make 2d icons - not even well, sadly theirs not much that can be done from a server admins limited configuration file. This like many things has relatively easy fixes, that is before the sole developer closed shop and hogged all access to himself (and does next to nothing).

[edit] OFC correct me if I'm wrong, and it also may be possible to write a script at the expense of performance (as past scripts have shown us).

[The Raging Asparagus]

[Gridfon]

I played for T1 in that xr_gridlock game, along with TRA, SOMA, Nestor, sirscotofmucks, Rob, ken and possibly someone else. It ended with a draw 61 minutes in the game, at midnight per GMT time, with 5-3 or 5-4 vote (depending on whether my last millisecond F2 counted on the server, and not just on my client, which is questionable).

One can argue that the draw is unfair because T1 would eventually win the game. One can also argue that T1 was stacked, so it's their own fault they could not win faster (regardless of the fact that T1 came back from what seemed like a 100% lost game; it stabilized at 20 minutes when T1 finally got reloc; we already had lego+coil but not yet flux and demo). A draw was also fair for beelzebub who was a big reason that T1 survived the first 20 minutes, but who then got shuffled into T2 at around 30 minutes into the game. May be you would also feel different TRA if you actually played from the start, rather than only join at the 20 minute mark.

I don't see a problem with draw votes like this, and don't see a problem in general.

[The Raging Asparagus]

I am bringing a general discussion here (assuming we disagree on that specific match).
What is the threshold?
Do you not see several games end in draw just because somebody spammed it and you clicked f1 by mistake one time (or just forgot to f2)?
Personally I see it at least once-twice a day and I think this has to stop.

Why does spectators get to vote?

TRA

[Gridfon]

[The Raging Asparagus]

[Groentjuh]

Config does only contains enabled or disabled switches for various stages(setup, warmup, in-game, end-game). Python has hooks to do post-checks to allow or disallow a certain vote (example: disable kick-votes for JmZ, while allowing others to be kick voted), but do not have an ability to see votes. No config will allow you to change the pass percentage as that part is hardcoded into the bins.

[djinghis]

Yeah I pretty much said that, thanks for nothing )

[The Raging Asparagus]

So if it's coded (btw it shouldn't be coded in correct design) then change the code, it's not like it hasn't been done dozens of times for various other things (like pred skin, officer flags etc..).
The question is what is that %?

[djinghis]

Would be nice if the servers had more control/access, and yes the cosmetics and junk are changes to the game but not in that sense, they are just containers for global modifications. Apparently the code regarding this is a mess (you wouldn't be the first to request this btw) OFC I heard this from the amateur XR programmer at the time, so perhaps it's not actually that hard )

But if in fact they do make any changes to the code, perhaps they can fix

[Groentjuh]

I requested votes to be handled more by python allowing future additional votes. Most votes simply allow the players on the server to execute a server command. This however only resulted in the python post-check hook, which still doesn't allow the degree of control wanted.