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[Jegenrapo]

[Necro]

You're not doing anything right, Telvek. We don't "hate" you, we just find you seriously incompetent. You don't even read or watch what the topics are about, but decided to call us trolls. Hardly trolling when this topic has four pages of debate/discussion going on.

[Trigardon]

[Telvek]

Why should I read it? I was a clear abuse, nothing to discuss or comment. JmZ will deal with it.

Oh I forgot to add, almost the half of this thread is now filled with useless comments about my incompetent and retarded behaviour as ref. Perhaps you guys can create an "Anti-Telvek" - Thread where you can leave all your hate and rage about me, surely it will help you to let out your frustration

If you wanna add any chatter about me or my ref attitude, please email me, my spam folder will do the rest.
Otherwise let us close this topic and referees shall discuss in a private thread about this rule.

[djinghis]

[Gridfon]

Let me elaborate on the "Necro vs. Dingfire" case. There are many aspects in play when trying to decide whether Necro broke any rules. Many of them do not sound convincing:
1. "This rule worked that way for the past 10 years, don't just randomly change it now." <-- Did it really work that way for the past 10 years?
2. "Rule Nr. 2 only concerns map and terrain exploits, it has nothing to do with buildings." <-- Then why does it address standing on buildings?
3. "The meaning of an otherwise unreachable area is quite clear." <-- Strictly speaking, it is clear, but it was certainly not meant to be scrutinized at that level of formal reasoning.

I am tempted to invoke all of the above three claims, but I see why it does not lead to a very constructive discussion.

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However, the decision is very clear in terms of common sense.

Necro could not tell whether the tech pit was closed. It was safe to assume that Dingfire attempted to close it, but Necro had no way to tell for sure. Even if Necro happened to see that at some point the tech pit was clearly closed or open, it could change by the next time he got into beast base; buildings get built, killed and rebuilt. (In this particular case, I watched Necro's demo, and from his perspective I could not reliably tell whether the beast "tech pit" was actually closed. For all I know, it could have been possible to walk into beast tech from the opposite side of the lair from Necro, going past the sanctuary.).

Even as a referee, looking at base layouts from spectators, I previously noted that it is really hard to tell whether it is possible to walk on top of some building (as opposed to shimmying):

[coincoinmiaou2]

You are talking about tech was closed or not, but we said earlier that what necro did was allowed if comm did built a closed base without defense such as sub towers then he has to destroy a building to def it. And Dingfire said he did slay him because he thought it wasnt allowed. I didnt know it before this discussion too. There is nothing to say more about Necro demo, Dingfire did a mistake because rule was unclear for all. Now we all agree about this so just let it go.

[The Raging Asparagus]

[coincoinmiaou2]

Yep we should precise the rule, but for now JmZ is 2 weeks in vacations so we need to wait hes back

[djinghis]