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[Fat_Fingers]

 Fat_Fingers app for ref

[Telvek]

Good Luck

[Trigardon]

Welcome. Trial-Referee granted.

[djinghis]

With your first first post on Groentjuh, you could've taken the time to at least check spelling, and I'm not sure there's a lack of refs at all.


Don't you need some sort of grasp of English to referee? I've witnessed some of Fat_Fingers adjudication on Leet and can say he had little understanding of the rules (possible never read them) and his game style is contrary to the EU rules i.e he only camps with siege. Also when someone was exploiting on leet one time, he kicked 3 wrong people before he got the correct player.

Don't you find it strange that this person joins the forums, makes one post requesting ref, and its granted no questions asked?

At least give him the training he sorely needs. as for his English, you should at least talk to him for a minute or two and find out. People who spell "know" "no" for example should be euthanized.

[Gridfon]

Fat_Fingers was an incompetent ref on US, and he will be no better on EU. He is much better as a person and as a regular player, so please let's just keep it in that status.

US server died roughly 1.5 years ago, so I'm afraid I won't be able to give you a lot of anecdotal evidence. But it happened more than once that Fat_Fingers would first ignore my spam asking him to react to some rule breaker, and later ignore my spam asking why he did not react. All of that while being active on the field, meaning not AFK. There is no point giving a ref to someone who completely ignores most of the chat going his way. I do not remember any more details anymore, but I do remember that I considered him to be a particularly bad ref at the time.

For the anecdotal evidence, you can consider the following:
1. I got warned to follow a US rule on EU server unless I want to get slayed.
2. I got slayed without a warning, for behe camping on a map where (to the best of my knowledge) no refs ever enforce camping at all.

[djinghis]

1. You mean you were warned to follow the EU rules on EU servers or you were warned "not" to follow US rules on EU?
2. Dependent on what you mean in point 1, you were slayed on an EU server for camping a spawn point with Behemoth. Isn't that the rule? the map voids any documentation of its exemption to the camping rule therefore your evidence can't support your claim.

Despite that, you're right about FF being a bad referee.

[Trigardon]

Thanks for the report. Awaiting statement from Fat_Fingers.

[Telvek]

I took a look at the Demo. In the beginning of the story, fat fingers acted wrong, because a "choke point behe camp" rule does not exist.
However, after the sub was up, you camped for about 20-30 seconds at/next to the Sub-lair.
About the warning, well. He warned you during the choke point, but not direct at the sub. Hard to define. So to be honest I do not understand your point Gridfon :/
In my opinion the action was correct, but he could maybe warn you again obviously. As far as I know, refs are not forced to warn, but they should do it. Or am I now totally wrong?

[Gridfon]

[Telvek]

[Gridfon]

[Telvek]

I have to admit I may act extraordinary as ref. Some say, I dont care about Insults and camping, others mean I do not ref at all. I just can say that I always try to create a nice, fair atmosphere in-game without any big disadvantages. I just try to ref like Ale describes it:

[djinghis]

~On topic,

~This is the kind of constructive dialogue that elevates you above Neanderthal to modern day human, worthy of consideration to take on responsibilities such as EU referee.
~This is not the case with FF..

~Of topic,

The 3 major factors affecting game-play currently.

1: out-of-bounds exploits.
2: Attacking on-top of buildings.
3: Demolition charge block.

the following are secondary to the above IMO.

4: Ballista/catapult/summoner camping.
5: Behemoth camping.

Non-gameplay issues.

6: racism.
7: spam.
8: insults.

Although most if not all of these (1/2/3 especially) have technical solutions, the hapless remaining dev(s) of XR won't bother to implement them, so we must do what we can. I used to care about point 6/7/8 but realistically kicking them will only make them want to do it more.
Id prefer the laid back style of refereeing so long as they punish obvious exploits unfair to the game and ref objectively.
And I may have said it before but, having a map constantly exploited and having mappers and map admins play/witness the issue and not doing squat really grinds my turkey. the amount of people willing to fix maps in the past was more than sufficient - hence the _fix postfix on many maps. So why are the current crop of players so lazy?

[drk]

[JmZ]

fat fingers is a great ref, your stereotypical dislike of US referees shouldn't affect votes such as this.

Similarly, your own bad experiences (being the receiver of referee actions) shouldn't affect such a vote. A trial is a trial.

Well done FF, enjoy

On a side note, that non-existent referee training you never thought to implement would kinda resolve the unsure/miscommunicated actions you complain about.